Discussion: Peak Energy, Limits to Growth, All for Control?
Looking for serious discussions on this topic, please reply here with feedback and your experiences. For these past >2 years, I’m sure in your circles you have a mix of opinions, or even ranges of opinions, starting with the first ‘level’:
‘This is the worst pandemic of our lifetime, the responses all make sense. Our governments and experts are looking out for our own good’.
‘The response is over-reacting. After the precautionary principle being applied for first few weeks, we should have recognized this is not as deadly as first thought and used our original pandemic plan. We haven’t or aren’t, therefore our government is stupid, or, what the hell is going on?’
(Or a variation = ‘The (government in power) is screwing this up, let’s vote in the next one who will fix this’)
Maybe they are over-reacting, but I still trust they are doing this for our own good’.
‘They are not doing this out of ineptitude, they are doing this on purpose for X reason’. (Note this level also separates out into a multitude of theories, crazy and sane).
‘This is all a noble lie, but this is needed for humanity for our own good because of reason X’.
Don’t meet too many at #6 but would at least make for interesting conversation.
If your experiences are like mine, about 85% of the time/people just want to skip over this topic- change subject. Either they feel something isn’t right but don’t want to stick out, maybe feel that it’s easiest to assume governments are inept, or maybe they cannot fathom any other theory that involves the start point being their own governments are doing this on purpose against the citizenry. So that leaves barely 10% or so of people who will even discuss what’s going on, making conversation almost impossible. I also have noticed that if you dig beyond two layers of the illogical government pandemic responses, or what’s in the daily MSM, that the conversation gets shut down or changed – too touchy. Normally this would be fine – stay away from politics talk among friends and family. (This is not science or health, it’s definitely politics). However, I have noted before that each time we accept illogical or immoral government action or mandates, we normalize those and lose touch with the ‘old’ reality. I.e. ‘don’t talk to your neighbor’, locking down of healthy people, forcing injections with threat of job loss and loss of basic rights, police beating people who were out in public alone without a mask (Australia). We normalize all of this in small steps for our youth and kids – and eventually we lose touch with basic aspects of humanity – logically, morally, spiritually.
What’s been your rough percentage breakdown for these 5 or 6 ‘levels’ of awareness? And of those who fall in to levels 5 or 6, what kind of reasoning comes up in those discussions? By around year 2030 or so people may be asking ‘how did we get here (society)?’ ‘Life-altering pandemic(s), end of discussion’, won’t suffice.
I was prompted (again) to try and ask about this due to Dr. Martenson’s recent ‘I Give Up’ podcast. In it he discusses and breaks down the collapse (mostly) being due to peak energy/dwindling energy return on energy invested ratio. On multiple points of government reaction failures (inflation, pandemic response, etc.) he leaves the door open to either ineptitude or ‘on purpose?’ options.
I don’t see any plausible way that energy use/return, planned and manipulated for decades, could ‘suddenly’ sneak up on us to get us to a point of ‘oh my we need to shut down the world because we didn’t see this coming!’ status. The implication seems to be that, if ‘they’ didn’t shut it down and ‘reset’, the energy/financial crash would lead to mass societal chaos and breakdown. As if this absolves ‘them’ almost like saving humanity.
My previous article on ‘why they are doing this’ was simply elaborating on ‘more control’. I’ve seen many replies to this due to including the ‘limits to growth’ narrative of peak energy being pushed yet again. It’s an appealing argument but relies on these limits suddenly coming up, versus them knowing this progression for decades.
So reply here with your feedback, comments, and what you’ve found with ranges of people who have been open to discussing this ‘reset’. And if possible, the percentage breakdown of the (roughly) five or six levels of opinions.
For more background, my comment on the podcast:
Thank-you Dr. Martenson. This is a very good analysis of the entire ‘petrodollar’ fiat/debt-based economy that the Western world has been put on and addicted to since the gold standard was removed in the 1970s.
And I agree with this comment – that this is totally on purpose. Nothing being done by the West is due to incompetence – that’s all for show. This is not a Great Reset for the World, it’s a levelling-down (pushing down) of the West, culturally, financially, educationally, and spiritually.
The ‘elite’ set up the fiat system knowing full-well it would implode in a matter of decades. And, they were already working on the replacement system decades ago, to hook us on to a new fiat system – CBDC (it’s still printing money). This ‘sudden’ drop in world energy is also not a surprise – they have and will control the remaining sources in addition to controlling/owning the new sources upon which we will be dependent for life.
This ‘peak oil’ or ‘limits to growth’ story is pervasive and steers the managerial class into lecturing the ‘masses’ who are supposed to see themselves as a cancer on Earth.
The same groups that set up the petrodollar system (Trilateral Commission, WEF, BIS, Kissinger, Brzezinski) in the 70’s have been working on the replacement system for decades. And they of course positioned themselves to control and profit from that next system – and place any financial setup on top of that (CBDC). From 1980 till today, they financed and worked with China to set up the model for the next society, a technocratic system. (I saw this process working there from 2001 till 2017, including the ‘health pass’ go-no-go mobile QR code in action in Shenzhen in 2017).
The ‘reset’ is simply ratcheting the process from 2020-2030 to complete the middle-class and Western ‘liberal’ value destruction, so that we are closer to China, for example – a huge peasant class and a thin layer of elites/government.
Whitney Webb and Patrick Wood (technocracy.news) have done a great summary of this history on the unlimitedhangout podcast. China is the model, and Sustainable Development is the neo-feudalist society they are ‘resetting’ us in to. They announced this at the Earth Summit in 1992, and just needed the technology part to track and control human activity based on energy. Same as 1970 till 2020, only now they will have CBDC, digital ID, and a social-credit type control.
I would enjoy hearing Dr. Martenson’s comments on whether his analysis would change based on the motivations. That is, if we start from the assumption that ALL of this destruction is planned, rather than ineptitude, would it change his conclusions? It is quite blatant to me that all of this ‘aw shucks’ ‘gosh-darned it’ fumbling and ‘mistakes’ are all for show. Nothing that happens in politics is not planned.
Population control is the one metric missing from all the “Limits to Growth” charts and predictions. I feel they already have the energy/consumption side covered, and the population control (behavior and consumption) is the main variable of the model. I have some questions/point on that here.